The Salesman Meets His Match: The Geek

Shenanigans
April 3, 2007

by Kenny Hyder

As both an in-house and con­tract web deve­lo­per, I get to see aspects of the deve­lop­ment com­mu­nity that many don’t. I work with an office full of non-techie type sales peo­ple who know nothing about web deve­lop­ment; whe­reas one who works com­ple­tely on a con­tract basis, or in a deve­lop­ment firm would have no expe­rience in such an envi­ron­ment. I also know what it’s like to be a solo act, dea­ling with clients. I also, very often work clo­sely with a part­ner, and am invol­ved in a com­mu­nity deve­lop­ment set­ting. Today, my story is about wea­ring the in-house deve­lo­per hat.

The other day, I was sit­ting at my desk in my office when my office line rang. Now, for me, having the office line ring is a rare occu­rrence. I don’t give that num­ber out to anyone, and rarely use it myself. So almost sur­pri­sed, I ans­we­red. I got the usual con­fir­ma­tion of my iden­tity, and after the 5 ques­tion spread I found out that it was a sales repre­sen­ta­tive for an SEO com­pany. Ok… pause… this is the part in a movie when the frame stops and there is an inter­nal mono­lo­gue, what comes to mind for me is a per­so­nal favo­rite… Snatch. The dia­lo­gue of course is, that this guy on the phone thinks he’s cold calling a run of the mill — in house — web­mas­ter / IT sup­port / geek. What he doesn’t know, is that I too am a search mar­ke­ting pro­fes­sio­nal… Un-pause. He pro­ceeds to ask me if I am fami­liar with the prac­tice of SEO, yes. Do I know what terms I am currently ran­king for, yes. What terms am I not ran­king for that I would like to be, none. Ok, now can I ask you a few ques­tions? Wait, I’ll need to be trans­fe­rred to a ‘tech­ni­cal expert’. Ok, so I lis­ten to some hold music, that is half plea­sing but not enough so as to remem­ber what the song was. Alright, now we’re back online. So he unders­tands that I have some ques­tions regar­ding this com­pa­nies SEO prac­ti­ces. So I pro­ceed to ask him how his said com­pany approaches stra­te­gic link buil­ding. To which I am given an offen­sive reply, ‘well we do some research to see what is rele­vant to your site, and then get links that will help your ran­kings’. OH REALLY!?! I might as well just read wiki­pe­dia! So, in a calm man­ner, I press him to explain how. But I am diver­ted, and the ques­tions come back my way. I am obli­ged to comply. Am I ran­king for key­words that are rele­vant to my com­pany, yes. (He is obviously on my site) Do I rank for the term ‘elec­tric power equip­ment’, yes. So if one were to search in goo­gle for that term, I would be found on the first page, yes, in fact on the first page, above the fold. His reply was “hm”. Well how did I do that? I came back with, so you still haven’t ans­we­red any of the ques­tions I asked you. Ok. What ques­tions do I have? How do you and your com­pany attack stra­te­gic link buil­ding? Well, they of course do some research to deter­mine rele­vant keywo… I know, but how do you actually obtain links. Well it’s a long pro­cess invol­ving a lot of research..blah blah.. Right, I know, I unders­tand link buil­ding. In fact, I’ve done link buil­ding myself! But how do they do it? Do they have a huge list of link farms that they pay to get on? Oh no, I am assu­red, we do not do link far­ming. But we gua­ran­tee 40+ links a month.. 40+ links a month! I lite­rally said: “No thanks” cause I’m afraid that if I let this guy touch my site, he will in fact harm me. Now, 40+ links a month is no big deal, if you inven­ted the iPhone, but believe me, the elec­tric power equip­ment busi­ness pales in com­pa­ri­son for exci­te­ment next to the iPhone. That is of course, we’re assu­ming that there is no link far­ming invol­ved. So I again ask how they approach link buil­ding, when he finally tells me that they first search their data­base of over 500 clients. Inte­res­ted, I asked him if he had 500 clients in the elec­tric power equip­ment busi­ness. He disap­poin­ted me by repl­ying with a no. So I ask him yet again, then how is it exactly that he does link buil­ding. He trys to give me the 500 client jar­gon again, when I call him out on it, cause if his clients are inte­rior desig­ners and auto mecha­nics, links aren’t going to help me very much, are they? Well, of course they have other methods as well.. Oh yeah? Like what! Please explain! Do you pay for links? Well, they might, they don’t say that it is com­mon, but they might buy some links, they cer­tainly won’t say that they don’t. Well great. Still not hel­ping me ey? Star­ting to grow frus­tra­ted with this ‘tech­ni­cal expert’ I ask him to show me an exam­ple of a client that they have, where they suc­cess­fully built links to inc­rease search engine ran­kings. Well, don’tcha know, they have logos of com­pa­nies on the front page of their web­site! Wow, that’s impres­sive, so all I’ve lear­ned so far is that they know how to rip an image that is on the web, and repost it elsewhere. Which, in not so few words, I explai­ned to him. And again pres­sed him to give me an exam­ple, and show me what was done. But, unfor­tu­na­tely he can’t divulge such infor­ma­tion to me. The same way, you can’t actually drive a car until you have put down a down pay­ment. Wait, that’s not right.. Ok, fine, you won’t give me an exam­ple of your work; then PLEASE explain to me, what it is that YOU think that you do. And this time, please spare me the ‘research’ talk. Ok, now I’m asked if it would be ok to be put on hold. Yes Please! I would love for you to go talk to someone who actually knows something! Now, he comes back on the line, and reaf­firms that he won’t give me any exam­ples of his work. But rather he begins to harp on goo­gle page rank.. And they simply get links from peo­ple with a higher page rank than me. Oh yeah? Who? Where? HOW? I am then given an expla­na­tion of what page rank is.. I didn’t think I soun­ded con­fu­sed as to what pr was, I actually even told him what my current page rank is.. But that’s ok, I’m begin­ning to grow accus­to­med to this wiggle-out-of-questions res­ponse. After another 10 minu­tes of trying to tell me that its all about page rank (roll my eyes) I decide that I’m gonna just nail him down. Right now, cut the bs. I tell him, that if he didn’t already catch on, that I am an SEO myself. And I ask him if he can make me rank on the 1st page of Goo­gle for the term ‘SEO’. He replies: *drum­roll* “Yes, it is only a mat­ter of time” I then laughed out loud, on pur­pose, on the phone. Ok, so then, if it’s only a mat­ter of time, then why doesn’t he rank for that term? Well, he tells me, he doesn’t WANT to rank for that term. He doesn’t want to have a lot of busi­ness. He con­ti­nues to blurt out this 2 minute reci­tal on why he doesn’t want a lot of busi­ness, cause then it’s not per­so­nal.. blah blah. BUT (there’s always a but), if I would just go to yahoo, and search for his obs­cure term, I will see that he is #1 for that. I then said, well, how about I search for it on goo­gle… I do… he’s not on the first three pages.. I ask him about that, and (get this) he tells me: “We don’t opti­mize for Goo­gle” HAHAHAHAHAHA, what!?! He trys to give me his 2 minute deal again, but I won’t have it. I tell him that he’s stu­pid to even say such a thing. Espe­cially when he tried to preach page rank to me, and knows that I do SEO!

So, case clo­sed. I ended up tal­king to this guy for about 45 minu­tes. I had quite an amu­sing time, and if you’re as much as a geek as I am, you pro­bably have too just rea­ding this. I ended up telling him that I had to get off the phone, and that he could email me some info if he had it. The stuff I got in his email was abso­lute crap, it didn’t even look pretty. He called the next mor­ning for a follow up, I tried to give him a chance to ans­wer any ONE of my ques­tions.. But he see­med far too incom­pe­tent to do such a thing. Oh well, some­ti­mes you meet peo­ple that end up being great con­tacts. But then again, some­ti­mes you don’t! –kenny

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